Greyout's guide to spring stiffness & weight transfer (2024)

(disclaimer: I'm not an engineer and don't pretend to be one)

This is not a replacement to M-spec's guide, he's got some great stuff in there.

In this post, I am looking to answer a few questions that come up, and to try and provide some knowledge so that as you adjust the settings, you know what is happening.

first up: weight transfer

It appears that many people are confusing body roll and weight transfer. Although we associate body roll & pitch with the same forces as weight transfer, they shouldn't be considered the same thing. Softening a spring does not increase weight transfer.

If you were to be riding on a giant sled, with absolutely no suspension, the sled would still exibit weight transfer in a corner, with no body roll at all.

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Turning to the left, our little man leaning into the turn.

In steady state corning, what was 200 lbs on each side might become 150/250. The amount of weight transfer is detirmined by how wide the track is (wider = less weight transfer) and how high the CG is (lower CG = less weight transfer). One can easily see why high performance cars are wide & low to the ground Greyout's guide to spring stiffness & weight transfer (2)

The reason why weight transfer is important is because of the relationship between how much lateral force a tire can generate and how much downward force is pushing it into the pavement. Obviously, the more downward force, then the more friction, but it does not increase on a 1:1 ratio. X downard force might result in Y friction, but 2X does not result in 2Y - it results in something less then 2Y.

It is because of this that the greatest traction occurs when there is no weight transfer - i.e. when both tires share the weight equally. Anything other then that, and you are making less then optimal traction. If we could, we would make a car that has a CG at ground level (no weight transfer) but obviously that can't be done.

next: Body roll

as we guide our cars around a corner, the suspension allows the body to roll. The axis that the car rolls on, and the amount of roll, depends on the suspension stiffness, the roll center, and the distance of the center of gravity from the roll center.

The roll center is the instantanous point at which the car rolls on. This is detirmined by suspension geometry. It can be found by extending an imaginary line off of the upper and lower control arms to a point at which they intersect (magenta). A line is then drawn from the center of the contact patch of the tire to that intersection point. The roll center is the point at which the last line, blue, crosses the center line of the car. Its also the point at which the two tire lines cross if you are figuring from the both side, which would be used if the roll center was off to one side or the other (again, remember the roll center is constantly moving as the suspension moves).

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The grey box is the tire when viewed from the front. The black lines are the suspension arms. The body has been removed.

If you connect the front and rear roll center, you have a line. This line is the axis that the car rolls on. Generally, the rear is slightly higher then the front.

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Viewed from the right. The axis that the car will roll on.

As lateral force acts upon the CG, the distance the CG is from the roll center detirmines how much body roll the car will exibit. If the CG was ON the roll center, then there would be NO body roll. the farther the CG is from the roll center, then the more leverage it has on on the body, and the more it will roll.

It is VERY unlikely that PD had time to compute the roll center of each vehicle, and therefore suspension geometry in general is not simulated. This is unfortunate, but expected.

What this DOES help you do is understand why adjusting the springs and sway bars does what it does.

lets take a car that has a perfectly even weight distribution (each number is the weight on each wheel.)

700 700
700 700

in a right corner, we get weight transfer to the left.

900 500
900 500

total weight is still the same.

When we increase the spring rate, we are not preventing weight transfer. The springs react into the body, reducing body roll, NOT weight transfer Stiff suspension does a few things good for us:

- reduces suspension travel, to prevent dynamic changes in camber and toe.
- improves responsiveness
- allows the car to ride lower without bottoming out

so, we increase the spring rate by 50% - but we are still at

900 500
900 500

with the stiffer spring, we could lower the car more, which would reduce weight transfer a little, but we won't include that just yet. now lets see what happens when we stiffen up the rear end more.

850 650
1000 400

but wait - if the rear got STIFFER, why is there MORE weight transfer in the rear?

The reason is because the spring is, again, reacting to the body roll. As the body rolled to the left, the rear spring held up that corner more, increasing the downforce on that side and unloading the inside rear. This results in LESS of a weight transfer up front. The TOTAL weight transfer is still the same, as it should be - 800 lbs difference between left and right.

the front tires are sharing the weight more evenly, so they will be able to provide more traction.

In a FWD car, with the same weight, it wouldn't be rare to see this:

800 600
1400 0

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SWAY BARS:

a sway bar is simply a semi-flexible bar that connects one side to the other. It adds spring rate to one side in roll, but not in bump. So if you have soft springs and a thick sway bar, then the ride quality will still be soft, and you will still have lots of pitch & dive, but the suspension will resist roll. A sway bar increases the downforce on the outside tire by unloading the inside. Thus, a thick swaybar is not a good idea for the front of a FWD race car. usually, production based race cars will not have any front bar at all, and rely stricly on proper spring rates.

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FAQs

What is the spring rate for weight transfer? ›

Springs should typically be compressed 25-30% of the free length when supporting the weight of the vehicle. Drag race cars will normally use a lighter rate spring (about 30%) to promote weight transfer while a street car will use a firmer rate spring (about 25%).

What is the difference between load transfer and weight transfer? ›

The difference being load transfer is an imaginary shift in weight due to an imbalance of forces, while weight transfer involves the actual movement of the vehicles center of gravity (Cg). Both result in a redistribution of the total vehicle load between the individual tires.

How do you calculate spring stiffness? ›

Spring stiffness, k, is as defined in Hooke's law, viz. F=k*x where F is an applied force and x is the resulting displacement. It follows that where a known displacement (x) for a known force (F) is available, the spring stiffness entered in the dialog box, k = F/x.

Does higher spring rate mean stiffer ride? ›

Higher spring rates will give you a firmer feel, and many racecar drivers tend to prefer stiffer springs to reduce body roll and body lean. They also want low ground clearance to maintain a low center of gravity.

How do I know what spring rate I need? ›

The static load is the load that the spring sees from the sprung weight acting through the motion ratio. Spring Rate = Static Load / Shock Ride Height. You should always find the closest spring rate available for your application. When in doubt, choose a lower spring rate.

Is weight transfer good or bad? ›

Weight Transfer in Slow Corners

As you navigate the corner and accelerate out of it, the weight transfers to the rear, increasing the load and grip on the rear tires. This can help you drive out of the corner more effectively, but it also reduces the front tires' load, making the car harder to steer.

What is an example of a weight transfer? ›

By way of example, when a vehicle accelerates, a weight transfer toward the rear wheels can occur. An outside observer might witness this as the vehicle visibly leans to the back, or squats. Conversely, under braking, weight transfer toward the front of the car can occur.

When should you start to slow for a curve? ›

The most important part of driving a curve or corner is to slow down before you get to it. To drive around a sharp curve or corner, follow this procedure: Slow down. Take your foot off the accelerator and, if necessary, brake.

What is the ideal spring stiffness? ›

The Ideal Spring The IDEAL SPRING is frictionless, massless, and linear, i.e. the magnitude of the force needed at each end to hold an IDEAL SPRING at rest at a stretch (or compression) of |∆x| is given by Fapplied ≡ k|∆x| where k is the SPRING CONSTANT (a positive-only scalar) in units of N/m, which depends only on ...

What is the law of spring stiffness? ›

In physics, Hooke's law is an empirical law which states that the force (F) needed to extend or compress a spring by some distance (x) scales linearly with respect to that distance—that is, Fs = kx, where k is a constant factor characteristic of the spring (i.e., its stiffness), and x is small compared to the total ...

What is spring stiffness equivalent? ›

An example of equivalent stiffness can be found in spring systems. If two springs are connected in series with stiffness K1 and K2 respectively, the equivalent stiffness (Keq) is given by the equation 1/Keq = 1/K1 + 1/K2.

Do stiffer springs transfer more weight? ›

a stiffer spring (aka roll stiffness?) would add resistance, so the end of the axle will push down harder, meaning more weight transfer. if the front has a softer spring than the rear, the rear would then have to take more of the weight transfer to make the moment sum around the central beam be 0.

Does more coils make a spring stiffer? ›

The spring rate decreases as the number of active coils increases, and fewer active coils yield a stiffer spring rate.

Is a stiffer spring better? ›

Stiffer springs provide several benefits for those seeking to enhance their vehicle's handling and stability. These advantages include reduced body roll, improved cornering ability, enhanced grip on uneven surfaces, and increased suspension stiffness.

When a weight up to 15 pounds is attached to a 4 inch spring? ›

SPRINGS When a weight up to 15 pounds is attached to a 4-inch spring, the length L, in inches, that the spring stretches is represented by the function Lw=12w+4, where w is the weight, in pounds, of the object.

What is the spring rate of compression load? ›

Compression spring rate is the spring specification which will help you determine if you will be able to meet your compression spring's working loads at the time of being installed in your application. Since this is a constant force, the amounts of load and travel increase in a consistent manner.

What is the best spring rate for handling? ›

Good handling on the street while maintaining excellent ride quality requires mild rates, ranging from 250 lb/in to 325 lb/in.

What is the formula for weight transfer? ›

To calculate the weight transfer multiply the acceleration by the center of mass height, divide by the wheelbase, and finally, multiply by the total vehicle mass.

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